I was interacting on another blog about a homosexual couple in which several people had some disparaging things to say. I briefly addressed these issues there, and I have invited the dialogue to this blog to give the couple on the other blog space to celebrate without ugly and myopic comments. The follow was my most recent response:
Monday, July 19, 2010
The Offer
I was interacting on another blog about a homosexual couple in which several people had some disparaging things to say. I briefly addressed these issues there, and I have invited the dialogue to this blog to give the couple on the other blog space to celebrate without ugly and myopic comments. The follow was my most recent response:
. . . unfortunately I didn’t see your “deleted” comments brother. And I have tried not to say more than I already have. I have hoped that this happy occasion could have been left as that, a happy occasion, without the vitriol that has founds its way into this blog. But I must say a bit more. Your fallacious arguments do not serve the Christian cause or freedom for all very well.
You say that your comment was removed “no doubt because there was truth in it.” This is what is called in philosophy a non sequitur. That is, it does not follow. They may have edited your comments for many other reasons than your “truth.”
The fact that you disagree with some claiming Christianity as their faith, perhaps me, does not mean that we “are not christian [sic] at all and prove it by not being able to even agree with what God has declared.” This is the same claim made against those who said the Earth was not flat or that the Sun did not rotate around the Earth (heliocentricity).
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident” (Arthur Schopenhaue). If science conflicts with your theology, perhaps it is time for a re-examiniation of your theology to see if you got it right. But ignorance is not acceptable: “Study to show yourself approved.”
It seems, you simply have a different interpretation than I and others on this blog. And I would suggest your interpretation is misguided by prejudices and reading into the scripture (eisegesis) long held bigotries.
I offered before to discuss these issues with you or anyone else wanting to honestly examine them on one of my blogs. I make the offer again. Show this couple mercy, grace, and love by leaving them alone and better learning about your own faith and failings. Stop throwing stones and try to pull the splinter from your brothers’ eyes and attend to the log in your eye. Let’s reason in another forum. I welcome the dialogue if you can keep your head. Blessings.
Andy, unfortunately I didn’t see your “deleted” comments brother. And I have tried not to say more than I already have. I have hoped that this happy occasion could have been left as that, a happy occasion, without the vitriol that has founds its way into this blog. But I must say a bit more. Your fallacious arguments do not serve the Christian cause or freedom for all very well.
You say that your comment was removed “no doubt because there was truth in it.” This is what is called in philosophy a non sequitur. That is, it does not follow. They may have edited your comments for many other reasons than your “truth.”
That fact that you disagree with some claiming Christianity as their faith, perhaps me, does not mean that we “are not christian [sic] at all and prove it by not being able to even agree with what God has declared.” This is the same claim made against those who said the Earth was not flat or that the Sun did not rotate around the Earth (heliocentricity).
“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident” (Arthur Schopenhaue). If science conflicts with your theology, perhaps it is time for a re-examiniation of your theology to see if you got it right. But ignorance is not acceptable: “Study to show yourself approved.”
It seems, you simply have a different interpretation than I and others on this blog. And I would suggest your interpretation is misguided by prejudices and reading into the scripture (eisegesis) long held bigotries.
I offered before to discuss these issues with you or anyone else wanting to honestly examine them on one of my blogs. I make the offer again.
Show this couple mercy, grace, and love by leaving them alone and better learning about your own faith and failings. Stop throwing stones and try to pull the splinter from your brothers’ eyes and attend to the log in your eye. Let’s reason in another forum. I welcome the dialogue if you can keep your head. Blessings.
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This comment was at another site regarding this post. I am including it as a beginning without permission, so I am not indicating the person's name.:
ReplyDeleteVery gracious of you to try and pull the dialogue and debate over here to your place Darryl. I hope Andy and some of the others will take up the offer.
I personally don’t feel it is anyone’s business what two consenting adults do so long as their right to pursue happiness doesn’t infringe upon the right of someone else to pursue happiness. I also feel the state should get out of the marriage game and leave it up to the churches.
Marriage is a construct of religion, not of the state
I then responded with the following:
ReplyDelete"Jered," very gracious of you. I believe that everyone should have the right to marry as they may wish in their own particular faith tradition without state obstruction. However, we have a government in which state approval means receiving perks like tax breaks controlled by the state. So I believe the state should recognize all marriages. This provides equality under the law for all couples wishing to live a life together without penalty. That would mean if one tradition denies homosexual marriage, the couple should find a tradition that does. Or if they are so bold, attempt to change their beloved tradition to accept a broader interpretation of marriage. As a Christian minister I can tell you that my position is not too popular among many other ministers, however, after much study, I believer homosexual acceptance and marriage is a valid Christian expression.